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good evening ladies and gentlemen

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welcome to the program I am your host

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Chris George Zuger and you have entered

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the den of war let me get the camera on

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and welcome you all into the show grab

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your glass of scotch

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pull your chair up to the fire because

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we're rare to learn some cool [\h__\h]

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website building services unless it's

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actually me selling website building

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services anyway tons of perks to the

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show such as a shudders at the top of

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the program and this week I'd like to

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thank Pat from Brooklyn our den mother

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Ellen mrs. Fox

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again I do apologize if last week a

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little wonky I've been battling a cold

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my daughter had her first week in

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daycare well forever to say first day in

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daycare she spent three hours there came

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home with the coal and gave it to

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everybody myself my wife my parents the

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dog absolutely absolutely horrible

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people told me this day would come and I

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didn't believe them

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well I guess it's what I get so make

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sure you stock up on cold effects and

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all that goodness lots of vitamin C

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anyway tonight on the program i have an

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interesting gentleman whom I actually

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just met as you know one of the fun

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things about this show is just going in

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live and meeting new people and talking

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to them it you know we may have some

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disagreements but we end up always

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becoming friends at the end of it for

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the most part I guess he seems like a

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very nice guy I've cut dr. David viana

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PhD also known as the hipster historian

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you can check it out all the links are

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in the show notes on YouTube I'll post

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that to Facebook channels afterwards

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David is an ancient historian and know

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that it's not a reference to his age

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he's a young guy specializing in musics

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musics actually going out at this time

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specializing in historian or histories

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of the Near East Egypt Greece sandy a

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it's not San Diego he's from he's been

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to San Diego Egypt Greece Rome India in

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China he's earned his PhD at the

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University of California in San Diego he

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is the author of how to know stuff a

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little eBook designed for the general

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public and several anthologies designed

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for classroom use which is included the

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ideas in the making a source book for

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old intellectual history to 1300 and pen

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stylus and chisel and pen stylus and

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chisel an ancient Egyptian source book

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so we actually have somebody who knows

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something about ancient Egypt here which

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some other things in addition to that he

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is currently teaching at the State

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College of Florida in Mantee Sarasota so

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if anybody if I pronounced that any of

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our flirty and listeners you can you can

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tweet at me and say you pronounced that

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wrong if I did previously is Todd at the

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University of California at San Diego in

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the San Diego Mesa College in 2009 he

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received at the revell College

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outstanding faculty award and

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recognition for his excellence in

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teaching and continues his efforts to

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improve and additionally he is the

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author a founder and executive director

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of scala and

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tic wium and and he'll be able to

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pronounce this properly a national

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not-for-profit academic society

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dedicated to the study of ancient

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dr. me I know how are you doing tonight

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I'm doing very well

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thanks for having me Chris it's my

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pleasure I'm just gonna readjust your

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right let me give it to that's the one

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thing I probably should have done there

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we go no no we're never everyone can see

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you fantastic it's normally I have the

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thing blown up because everyone sits so

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far back from the screen I'm not too

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close no you're fine you're you're fine

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your your hair is much better than mine

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as well so I'm a little bit jealous but

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that's okay now you you are actually

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referral from a mutual friend of ours

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Bernie Taylor and he said you liked it

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you think you got you gotta get him on

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the show David's amazing you gotta get

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him on the show Mike okay okay Brent

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like I'll talk to him and it was very

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surprised that you contacted me back

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because well I'm kind of known as a [\h__\h]

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disturber and and in a non academic

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into different areas and it's a pleasure

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and an honor to be able to have you here

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we've learned a little bit about your

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your past from your amazing bio and I

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the throat sorry sorry guys that you

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know instead of that or I starts

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sneezing but how like you're you're an

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ancient history guy how did you get into

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this um I actually was I switched majors

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a few times in college before I settled

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onto it um I started with computer

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science I didn't like it I went into

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communications media arts I wanted to to

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do film and and then I switched that and

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so I went into history and I was

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thinking just you know regular everyday

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maybe European history or something like

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that and then while I was taking classes

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I was like I just love the older stuff

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the older the better

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and and so I just got really interested

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what I wanted to do so it's just I guess

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because it's so long ago it just seems

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more foreign you know it uh then we know

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less about it there's a lot of

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mysterious aspects to it so I guess

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that's why I was drawn to it I think

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interested in ancient history with more

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recent history you kind of you know

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we've got all the documentation we kind

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of know what happened you know there's

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not really a lot of room for guessing or

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speculation just refinement you know so

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but documentation for the ancient world

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is very scarce so like is there like a

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seminal book that you would started out

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with for me it was Velikovsky's world in

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collision yes I know that's the 50 at

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the time I've said it people but and I

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know that I can see a little on the

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strange side but like worried were you

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into the the more esoteric parts of

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alternate research when you were younger

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no I I never was into that um I it's

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funny like when I when I came into

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ancient history it was not until I

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actually made the decision to do so that

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I really knew much of anything about it

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and I found and this is you know part of

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the requirements of getting a degree is

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the stuff that was written in ancient

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times you know so yeah that we have you

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know there are books written by scholars

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that you have to read and so forth and

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all that but I love the primary sources

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translations of all the the ancient

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works that we had and I have a ton of

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those on my bookshelf even now I'd love

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to go back to them but yeah but I mean

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as far as like were there any books that

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like I read this book and it just made

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me interested in ancient history

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um not any one particular that I can

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think of you know um I mean obviously I

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love books you can see someone's a

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background there but there wasn't like a

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catalyst if that's what you're asking

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and you know like your your school uses

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of like my history going through school

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right psycho Canberra I'm gonna want a

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computer engineering technology and then

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it's like crap okay I'm gonna go into

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business administration this isn't good

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crap then I finally actually went

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through advertising so it's like you you

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took the same or very similar journey

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and I can understand where you're coming

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from because it's like well what what

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interests me what is it I can do with my

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life and how is it I can contribute to

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society you just took it that extra step

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where I probably should have gone that

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route yeah no no yeah and now and now

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you know because I've never lost

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interest in the media so like now um you

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know I just started up a YouTube channel

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over the summer I can marry my two

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interests you know I can take the

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history marry it with the the filmmaking

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part of my interest and do something

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that combines the two so that's that's

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been fun no you did the YouTube channel

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it the link is in the YouTube notes and

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I'll make sure that it's again and that

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it is actually transferred to the

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Facebook page afterward so everyone can

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go check it out you've been doing about

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a video a week and yes I was on during

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the summer so like what what what's the

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main focus of of that particular channel

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alternate each week between the two so

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one is it's basically a travel series

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I'm I'm planning on going on a trip

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every six months and I just finished one

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at the beginning of the summer I went to

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England and I visited all of the Roman

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ruins and I went to Stonehenge and just

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hop from place to place it got it rented

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a car and just my friend and I just

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drove around the country and we visited

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all these sites and I just took video of

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the whole thing and then I did some

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teaching at the various sites and I'd

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talk about the various things that are

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there and so I'm turning that into a

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travel series so there's gonna be about

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a dozen episodes of that every other

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week comes out and that's called the

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antiquities travel guide and then the

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other weeks I do myths of ancient

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history and that's just like a video

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essay essay format where I take

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basically look for very popular ancient

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history YouTube videos that I feel get

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the history wrong and basically it's a

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debunking video you know so I'll find

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something I'll look at the hundreds of

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thousands of views or maybe even a

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millions of views and then talk about

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what's wrong with it and I try to do it

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in a way that's not you know some people

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like to do debunking videos and they're

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just like totally trashing their

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opponents and all that I try to be as

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understand your your perspective on that

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I may have taken the alternate you know

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the alternate but people love it when

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people are mean I guess okay negativity

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sells and it's like okay why I can be

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negative you know if somebody's just

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being a real jackass about stuff you

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know what say okay well this is

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obviously bunk you know or this is

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completely insane you I'm just I just

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have a very low threshold for for

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[\h__\h] nowadays in you know but again

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you get to being an academic you you

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you're taken seriously more if you have

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gonna say more of an even keeled

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open-minded slash

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um articulate approach to things yeah I

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think I like to keep the lines of

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communication open like so who's my

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audience who's my target audience I

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could just target other fellow academics

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who like hearing me trash other people

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who are wrong but that's not really what

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I want to do I want to like gain the

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interest of people who are interested in

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the subject who don't really know you

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know they see this they see that they're

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not sure what to believe or whatever or

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even try to convert some of them people

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who are you know already a believers in

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and some of the things I'm do bonking um

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I I think that it's good to reach out

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and and befriend these people so I

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actually you know I don't have an issue

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with forming friendships and you know

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having relationships with with people

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that I disagree with and even people

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whose opinions I might find rather

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far-fetched but I think conversation

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communication it's all a good thing well

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you know where I'm trying to keep it

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more I'm gonna say softer approach to

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things you know so there there's

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inviting people on the show that I may

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disagree with is kind of a big thing for

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me now and obviously like they're I

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forget I was a couple weeks back we had

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somebody on whom you know it's like no I

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I disagree with you on this point this

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point in this point and then we're

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talking along something else and we're

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both like ya know on this thing

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we're 100% in agreement so you never

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know common ground and where you're

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gonna get it but at least okay I'm gonna

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state my point out on this is I believe

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there is a possibility that there was

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some type of at least a people or a

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group an organization a society that may

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have contributed to legends and it may

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have visited different parts the planet

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you know 13,000 years ago I'm not gonna

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call it necessarily Atlantis I'm not

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gonna say that they had spaceships or

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you know crystal laser beams but I'm

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saying that it's at least a possibility

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and I know that for an academic when you

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say there's at least a possibility

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you're moving them you know so you're

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moving the goal

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if the possibility is open then well

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[\h__\h] I you know it's a possibility that

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I could wake up with a gold toilet

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tomorrow not probably not gonna happen

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now I I'm gonna at least get kind of the

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the ball rolling and say okay well from

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from starting from that we'll start with

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starting with the Atlantis mythos what

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is your position on it and how did you

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come to this this determination um with

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Atlantis first of all as a historian I

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deal more with the the documents than I

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do with the archaeology so I first thing

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I do is I go to the source you know

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who's the first one that wrote about

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Atlantis Plato well let's look at

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Plato's works and so forth actually

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learned a lot about Plato even before I

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you know I started researching Atlantis

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or anything like that but and this is

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one of the things I bring out on my

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channel is that the type of writer Plato

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was what you know what is he trying to

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do the problem I have with some people

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who are big proponents of the Atlantis

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theory is that they take it as if he is

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somehow writing a history book that he's

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presenting to everyone as a name this is

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what happened and that's really not what

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his books are about first of all their

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philosophy books but the format of these

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philosophy books are in the form in the

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form of a dialogue where he has

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characters basically you're reading like

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a little play that Plato wrote and one

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character says this and then another

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character says that and it turns out

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that it's just one of his characters

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that starts talking about Atlantis fella

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by the name of Critias in his book the

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Critias and also in his book the Timaeus

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and um it's just critical about Atlantis

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not Plato I mean yeah

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Plato wrote it but we have to take that

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into consideration instead of just

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taking it as if Plato saying hey

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everybody Atlantis you know and he

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wasn't

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and what about and again obviously

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you've you know you're dealing with the

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source with the source text in the

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translations what about the dates

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matching up with you know the potential

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for a cataclysm or even just the end of

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the Younger Dryas period well I think

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it's basically coincidence because it

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roughly does it doesn't exactly it

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roughly does and there's a tendency in a

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lot of ancient works from all different

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cultures around the world to various

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countries various people's loved to

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lengthen their ages like to make

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themselves as old as they possibly could

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be because if you were an older society

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you were somehow superior like well you

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know we've been around longer than you

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have and so a lot of these societies

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would invent histories of making

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themselves go way way back just so they

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could be older than the next one and you

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see this because you will even find

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people revising their histories and

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adding on centuries to their history to

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make themselves even older than they

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were before

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you know Rome's a good example where

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they you know Roma's history was

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relatively short compared to everybody

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else and uh and they start adding on all

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this material like oh we were way back

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when the Trojan War was occurring we

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were around and and they tried making up

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the stuff about Aeneas coming to Italy

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and founding Rome and all of that just

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to give themselves age you know we even

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found it with the Jews in the Bible when

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they used to live in Egypt during the

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Greek period they began changing the

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years and the dates in the Bible to make

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themselves older than Egypt dates which

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in the original of the Bible were

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shorter you know so same thing with

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Plato well the character Critias and

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Plato talking about how Athens is nine

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thousand years old at the time of

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writing Athens was not that old

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we know Athens wasn't that old because

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we've done the

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geology in Athens it doesn't go that far

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back you know they're just trying to

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make themselves older and how does this

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tie into you know the texts of Ed foo

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where there are specific mentions of you

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know antediluvian time which very

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closely match what was written in you

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know Plato's works that at least will

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lead to the idea that there was some

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type of you know pre civilization that

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you know the if you're talking about

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gods a lot of the times this may not

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have been necessarily in the literal

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sense you know you're dealing with

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people who may have been either more

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advanced not so technologically but

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societally that came and taught people

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how to be able to do things such as

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either work with stone or agriculture or

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irrigation and this type of people

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coming from the sea people coming from

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far-off lands is echoed in you know

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pre-columbian civilization pre you know

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Mayan civilization in the Aztecs the

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Egyptians it's all very very similar

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uh yeah well well two points first on

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the temple the temple that is mentioned

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in Plato's kritis we can't verify that

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it existed or even at though there was

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writing on it and also in Plato's story

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doesn't actually say that the

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information was written or copied

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exactly off of the temple so we can't

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verify that there's nothing older than

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Plato we just have a character in Plato

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saying that there was a temple and that

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there was a priest who relates this

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information to the fellow soul on but

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it's just the story so we can't

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corroborate it but even to the more

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important point that you brought up this

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is um an idea that's been popular

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especially since the 60s and 70s the

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idea that basically the gods in

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mythology were not actually gods in real

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life they were visitors or some kind of

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advanced people that the primitive

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people's just assumed to be gods right

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and uh and trying to put a make it a

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historical in other words those

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mythologies they are real they're just

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um garbled versions of the reality right

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that there were real people and in it

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and of course it's been done to death

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with sci-fi and all that um I can't even

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remember like there's an old original

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series Star Trek where you know they

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they they meet the god Apollo and he's

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got another planet but he had visited

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her and he had inspired the Greek myths

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you know he and his fellow gods and so

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forth and of course you get it with

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later stuff like Stargate and all that

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rotation there was a Greek philosopher

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but not a philosopher a Greek historian

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I guess you could say by the name of you

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hammer as he lived in the fourth century

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BCE and he this is right after Alexander

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the Great and he he wrote a book called

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the sacred history and his

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interpretation was that the gods were

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real people and just were misinterpreted

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to be gods and this is just a that idea

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kind of refurbished for the modern era

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I'm I'm a little skeptical of that and

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the reason is because people we know

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people make up stories and we know

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people make up characters and to just

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assume automatically without any other

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evidence that it's all true I think is

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is being a little bit too credulous like

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there's no there's no such thing as

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fiction like fiction doesn't exist it's

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all true I think I think that's just a

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little too credulous that's my opinion

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anyway does that make sense well you

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know you're such well you know from your

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perspective essentially what you're

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saying is if somebody you know you know

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2,000 years ago reads a Superman comic

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and assume said oh maybe this was you

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know tales of their of their hero whom

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could you know they thought could fly

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through the sky or what have you and

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then somebody applying there a societal

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bias or you know perspective to to that

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particular story to try and make sense

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of it to them you know and I can I

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didn't I can concede that point that

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that it is a possibility but it's like

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to me if you have you know if you have a

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group of people that are separated by

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large bodies of water that have not only

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similar stories and origins but it seems

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to be that the the myth of cataclysms

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seems to be similar such as a great

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flood such as you know destruction by

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fire you know this this complete

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reshaping of the world that

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has to have come from somewhere you know

542
00:23:44,220 --> 00:23:42,730
like even even when it comes to and I

543
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:44,230
know that this is gonna be a bad example

544
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:47,530
but you know if you have stories that

545
00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:48,610
are it that are passed down either

546
00:23:53,130 --> 00:23:51,700
through word of mouth or not word of

547
00:23:57,330 --> 00:23:53,140
mouth but you know through oral

548
00:24:00,960 --> 00:23:57,340
tradition will say such as you know the

549
00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:00,970
flood myth in Sumer with Gilgamesh which

550
00:24:05,070 --> 00:24:03,160
you know pretty well spot-on what a cut

551
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:05,080
when if you translate that to the tale

552
00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:08,970
of Noah very similar almost one-to-one

553
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,470
story obviously some details or change

554
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,080
the names are changed you know the moral

555
00:24:20,670 --> 00:24:16,480
stories change but the basics basis is

556
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:20,680
the same even and that area where it

557
00:24:23,370 --> 00:24:21,910
came from

558
00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:23,380
the story could have been separated by

559
00:24:27,630 --> 00:24:25,000
thousands and it was separated by

560
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:27,640
thousands of years but if that tradition

561
00:24:32,550 --> 00:24:30,640
or that stories being passed on those

562
00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:32,560
similarities are going to exist if you

563
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:35,350
have those similar stories but we're

564
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:37,570
talking about a world apart where most

565
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:39,850
people are saying that there's no way

566
00:24:44,340 --> 00:24:41,650
that these these stories could have

567
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:44,350
gotten from from let's say you know the

568
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:49,330
west coast of South America to you know

569
00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:52,570
to ancient Egypt if there are similar

570
00:24:58,170 --> 00:24:55,270
mythologies is is that just a

571
00:24:59,880 --> 00:24:58,180
coincidence if is is it if it's only two

572
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,890
societies is it one coincidence if we're

573
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:02,080
talking about a hundreds with the same

574
00:25:09,570 --> 00:25:05,730
essential story is it is it coincidence

575
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:09,580
well uh we'll get to the flood in a

576
00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:12,970
second but I I think in general the

577
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:15,480
similarities between the various

578
00:25:23,550 --> 00:25:19,570
countries of stories is somewhat

579
00:25:28,170 --> 00:25:23,560
exaggerated there aren't really that

580
00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:28,180
many stories that are I mean extremely

581
00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:28,840
similar

582
00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:30,190
you know I'm think they might have oh

583
00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:31,990
they have a natural disaster and we have

584
00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:33,460
a they have an earthquake we have an

585
00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:35,350
earthquake isn't that amazing

586
00:25:40,590 --> 00:25:37,750
no because earthquakes happen all over

587
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:40,600
the world you know I'm saying so I think

588
00:25:44,490 --> 00:25:42,610
a lot of people really exaggerate

589
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,500
similarities now with regard to the

590
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:45,760
flood I think that's probably the best

591
00:25:51,210 --> 00:25:48,310
example yes you do have some really

592
00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:51,220
amazing similarities between the

593
00:25:56,370 --> 00:25:53,350
legends the various countries but the

594
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:56,380
ones that are the most similar are the

595
00:26:02,010 --> 00:25:57,970
ones of the people who live close to

596
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:02,020
each other like Mesopotamia Egypt you

597
00:26:06,930 --> 00:26:03,850
know Israel all these countries in that

598
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:06,940
area that's where the flood stories are

599
00:26:12,930 --> 00:26:10,000
the most similar when you go outside of

600
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:12,940
that you go to like China their flood

601
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,970
legends are not anything like the flood

602
00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:17,919
legends of the Middle East you know so I

603
00:26:21,419 --> 00:26:20,470
think yes okay they have a flood legend

604
00:26:23,010 --> 00:26:21,429
way over here and you have a flood

605
00:26:25,770 --> 00:26:23,020
legend right over there but it isn't

606
00:26:29,250 --> 00:26:25,780
really the same flood legend you know

607
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:29,260
I'm saying so to make what I'm saying

608
00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:32,110
brief I just think that a lot of the

609
00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:35,830
similarities have been over magnified in

610
00:26:39,810 --> 00:26:38,260
to you what what has been one of besides

611
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:39,820
the Atlantis myth because I know we're

612
00:26:43,980 --> 00:26:42,250
talking Atlantis oh no I kind of it's

613
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:43,990
it's a big thing for me it's been kind

614
00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:45,490
of one of the the sticking points where

615
00:26:48,270 --> 00:26:46,870
the story hasn't really gone away and I

616
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:48,280
know that there are people who've

617
00:26:52,590 --> 00:26:51,010
mythologies dit and made esotericism out

618
00:26:54,659 --> 00:26:52,600
of it and you know well they'll talk

619
00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:54,669
about crystals and healing and and you

620
00:26:58,590 --> 00:26:56,830
know sunken ruins where spaceships are

621
00:27:00,090 --> 00:26:58,600
still coming out of it I I don't believe

622
00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:00,100
that stuff because it's like there's no

623
00:27:03,779 --> 00:27:02,440
real proof it's just the same stories

624
00:27:05,970 --> 00:27:03,789
regurgitator on the same two or three

625
00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:05,980
websites like biblioteca Pleiades which

626
00:27:11,580 --> 00:27:09,429
is just this you know like I've seen

627
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:11,590
better fiction out of you know Brandon

628
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,880
Sanderson if I don't know if I want to

629
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:14,799
want read fantasy read Brandon Sanderson

630
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:17,610
that's some good stuff but you know the

631
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:20,799
far-off they're ancient alien stuff it's

632
00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:22,030
a guest room like Matt's

633
00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:24,190
again it's possible but it's not very

634
00:27:27,690 --> 00:27:26,350
probable to me because there's no real

635
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,700
proof and also because again if it's

636
00:27:32,490 --> 00:27:29,440
appearing on History Channel chances are

637
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:32,500
well it's being used for ratings and not

638
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,890
for historical fact like what would have

639
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,320
been the the big thing besides Atlantis

640
00:27:43,289 --> 00:27:40,480
that you have that that's been your

641
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,299
gonna say he'll to die on you know what

642
00:27:47,549 --> 00:27:45,520
what is your what is your big your big

643
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:47,559
to do

644
00:27:55,019 --> 00:27:51,240
uh you mean like um a specific legend

645
00:27:57,649 --> 00:27:55,029
well your your debunking things so yeah

646
00:28:02,249 --> 00:27:57,659
if there is a particular pop-culture

647
00:28:04,499 --> 00:28:02,259
reference to a to a hit to a history or

648
00:28:09,049 --> 00:28:04,509
mythology that is been romanticized and

649
00:28:13,639 --> 00:28:09,059
beaten like a dead horse on YouTube by

650
00:28:16,409 --> 00:28:13,649
you know goodness knows who died inside

651
00:28:18,330 --> 00:28:16,419
what what what is kind of your your your

652
00:28:19,710 --> 00:28:18,340
big subject that at the end of the day

653
00:28:21,450 --> 00:28:19,720
you're like you know come hell or high

654
00:28:23,879 --> 00:28:21,460
water you're getting your voice up and

655
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:23,889
you know to say no that is BS this is

656
00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:26,409
why I think it's BS and you're crazy for

657
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:29,740
thinking it uh yeah I get I guess I have

658
00:28:33,299 --> 00:28:31,330
a number of those and I go through them

659
00:28:36,749 --> 00:28:33,309
one by one but the one that I'm on a big

660
00:28:39,989 --> 00:28:36,759
kick on right now anyway is on the Great

661
00:28:42,330 --> 00:28:39,999
Pyramid of Giza which I mean there's so

662
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:42,340
much that has been written about it and

663
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:46,720
so many really off-the-wall theories but

664
00:28:53,009 --> 00:28:48,610
what really gets my goat is when I hear

665
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:53,019
people making really strong false

666
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,570
statements about the pyramids like oh uh

667
00:29:04,259 --> 00:29:00,399
you know there never has been a mummy

668
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:04,269
found in a pyramid there's no there's no

669
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:07,809
there's no evidence within the pyramids

670
00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:09,730
that they were ever used as tombs you

671
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:14,470
know what else

672
00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:19,090
oh the the mathematic like the pyramids

673
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:20,830
were built so mathematically precise

674
00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:23,970
that they're almost perfect you know

675
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:25,899
there's a lot of statements like that

676
00:29:35,310 --> 00:29:30,090
about the pyramids that just aren't true

677
00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:35,320
so those kind of get my goat like oh did

678
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:38,830
you know that I mean this is true but it

679
00:29:42,869 --> 00:29:40,450
still irritates me because people will

680
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:42,879
say did you know that in the Great

681
00:29:46,859 --> 00:29:44,710
Pyramid okay

682
00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:46,869
there are absolutely have doors

683
00:29:52,259 --> 00:29:49,590
absolutely no

684
00:29:54,509 --> 00:29:52,269
treasures found like in the other tombs

685
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,519
and no no how your glyphic look fun on

686
00:29:57,810 --> 00:29:56,320
the other tombs and all of this and then

687
00:30:00,659 --> 00:29:57,820
you say say to yourself wait a minute

688
00:30:01,410 --> 00:30:00,669
you know all all of the tombs even in

689
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:01,420
the valley the key

690
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:04,450
they all were empty every single tomb

691
00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:06,250
has been empty it's only King touched

692
00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:08,020
tomb that anything was found in it and

693
00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:09,190
that's because it was buried underneath

694
00:30:15,090 --> 00:30:13,180
another tomb so the very fact that the

695
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:15,100
tomb has been robbed is being used as

696
00:30:20,370 --> 00:30:17,350
evidence that it wasn't a tomb that kind

697
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:20,380
of irritates me okay as first a great

698
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:24,910
pyramid you know there is an extensive

699
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:28,200
at least I'm going to say there are

700
00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:30,430
inscriptions and I forget exactly which

701
00:30:33,810 --> 00:30:31,870
which Pharaoh had done it they had

702
00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:33,820
actually gone into the tomb and removed

703
00:30:38,430 --> 00:30:35,140
the treasures that were in there and

704
00:30:41,220 --> 00:30:38,440
they actually had inscribed on a temple

705
00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:41,230
wall that just that described the

706
00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:42,460
treasures that were inside being taken

707
00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:45,220
out of it by a future king

708
00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:47,350
it didn't say anything about it being a

709
00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:49,180
tomb though you know there I know that

710
00:30:52,590 --> 00:30:50,440
within the Great Pyramid there are no

711
00:30:54,390 --> 00:30:52,600
inscriptions except for the one

712
00:30:55,860 --> 00:30:54,400
cartouche which is like in one of these

713
00:30:57,570 --> 00:30:55,870
yes you're right yeah no there aren't

714
00:31:00,300 --> 00:30:57,580
well there aren't in the fourth dynasty

715
00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:00,310
all the 4th dynasty pyramids snafus

716
00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:02,620
three pyramids the pyramids the three

717
00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:03,580
Pyramids of Giza

718
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:05,620
they have nothing written on the walls

719
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:06,730
it's not until you get to the fifth

720
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:09,160
dynasty that the pyramids start having

721
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:12,250
writing on the walls uh it just wasn't

722
00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:14,890
their custom as of yet you know although

723
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:18,520
there is there are some things on the

724
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:22,000
walls of the Step Pyramid of Djoser from

725
00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:25,330
the 3rd dynasty it's just that the trend

726
00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:27,700
didn't really catch on after that so you

727
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:29,380
don't find the Pyramid Texts until you

728
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:31,710
get to the fifth dynasty

729
00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:34,270
but yeah there was some graffiti in the

730
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,070
in the Great Pyramid that had King

731
00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:39,120
Khufu's name on it I know there are some

732
00:31:45,150 --> 00:31:43,750
there is some historical you know well

733
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:45,160
at least as far as like mainstream

734
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:47,710
academia well they're they're going to

735
00:31:52,860 --> 00:31:50,760
say ok well you know because of this one

736
00:31:54,150 --> 00:31:52,870
piece of graffiti that obviously what

737
00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:54,160
we're going to attribute it to that

738
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:56,260
specific pharaoh although that's the

739
00:32:03,030 --> 00:31:58,930
only thing they have to attribute it to

740
00:32:05,910 --> 00:32:03,040
that pharaoh is that oh that's not the

741
00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:05,920
only thing there is one other thing well

742
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:07,480
actually well there's there's the later

743
00:32:11,910 --> 00:32:09,130
there of course the later stories like

744
00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:11,920
her Herodotus the Greek says it's

745
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:14,620
for that king but we have the diary of

746
00:32:19,710 --> 00:32:16,810
mirror which is a papyrus document that

747
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:19,720
was found it's a log book that was

748
00:32:25,380 --> 00:32:22,210
created by this mayor who was an

749
00:32:26,850 --> 00:32:25,390
overseer of construction projects and he

750
00:32:30,540 --> 00:32:26,860
talks in it about them bringing

751
00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:30,550
limestone blocks down the Nile on boats

752
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:36,030
to bring for building the ICAT Khufu and

753
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:40,960
the Akkad Khufu uh in maybe from a few

754
00:32:45,660 --> 00:32:42,490
centuries later the idea the Egyptians

755
00:32:48,150 --> 00:32:45,670
identified the octet Khufu as the Great

756
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:48,160
Pyramid so here they're talking about

757
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:49,690
building the Great Pyramid and it's

758
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:51,280
named after Khufu

759
00:32:57,210 --> 00:32:54,720
right a cat means own horizon of Khufu

760
00:33:00,810 --> 00:32:57,220
which is talking about the place he goes

761
00:33:01,470 --> 00:33:00,820
in the afterlife so that's pretty good

762
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:01,480
evidence

763
00:33:07,260 --> 00:33:04,780
you know um that that's what it was for

764
00:33:08,130 --> 00:33:07,270
even back then not to mention the fact

765
00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:08,140
that it's right in the middle of a

766
00:33:13,050 --> 00:33:10,540
cemetery like this is the cemetery all

767
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:13,060
around it you know and there are tombs

768
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:17,820
like all around the Pyramids of Giza and

769
00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:20,410
even near man carries pyramid the the

770
00:33:26,190 --> 00:33:23,230
the third smaller pyramid there was a

771
00:33:29,850 --> 00:33:26,200
mummy found of one of them carries wives

772
00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:29,860
in one of the smaller tombs right next

773
00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:32,200
to it so but it wasn't actually in the

774
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:33,740
pyramid

775
00:33:37,389 --> 00:33:35,809
I know but there was a there was a mommy

776
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:37,399
found in the Pyramid of miranne Rey the

777
00:33:44,919 --> 00:33:43,039
first from the fifth dynasty and there

778
00:33:47,710 --> 00:33:44,929
are been parts of mummies found in

779
00:33:49,419 --> 00:33:47,720
pyramids like the Step Pyramid of Djoser

780
00:33:54,130 --> 00:33:49,429
they found like a foot I believed a

781
00:33:56,529 --> 00:33:54,140
mummified foot but yeah I mean know

782
00:33:57,850 --> 00:33:56,539
again like I'm I know we're splitting

783
00:33:59,740 --> 00:33:57,860
hairs here but this is also part of the

784
00:34:02,049 --> 00:33:59,750
fun part of a conversation a mummified

785
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:02,059
one mummified foot was it wrapped in

786
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,130
gold could it have been from a grave

787
00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:06,559
robber who got nobody so how we don't

788
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:09,080
know so is it is it like a kiss you

789
00:34:14,649 --> 00:34:12,169
found we found a mummy but it was just

790
00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:14,659
its foot okay who did the foot belong to

791
00:34:18,579 --> 00:34:16,820
who was it there well I was built or you

792
00:34:20,829 --> 00:34:18,589
know so those those kind of

793
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:20,839
misconceptions can can come along and

794
00:34:25,540 --> 00:34:22,730
can really mess things up when we said

795
00:34:27,099 --> 00:34:25,550
when even for myself or you know when

796
00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:27,109
when academia say okay well here's a

797
00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:30,550
blanket statement and I know that from

798
00:34:36,190 --> 00:34:33,740
academia side when when the alternative

799
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:36,200
history side says something like well no

800
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:39,050
because of Papa Papa Papa here's why

801
00:34:43,060 --> 00:34:41,330
this is a little bit fuzzy or come you

802
00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:43,070
know why we think it's wrong and then if

803
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:45,260
a blanket statement such as that is said

804
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:47,510
and oh my goodness she's ago she's gonna

805
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:49,129
knock over my camp no come on yeah come

806
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:52,609
on this is the Egyptians they worshipped

807
00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:53,510
cats as gods

808
00:34:56,700 --> 00:34:55,730
you know for a pretty good reason she

809
00:35:00,400 --> 00:34:56,710
does whatever she wants

810
00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:00,410
mm-hmm so you know there have been

811
00:35:03,970 --> 00:35:02,270
sarcophagi found in the pyramids they

812
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:03,980
were empty but we have found sarcophagi

813
00:35:07,329 --> 00:35:05,780
I mean and we know there's sarcophagi

814
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:07,339
because we have sarcophagi from other

815
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:10,640
tombs that look like them so yeah

816
00:35:15,609 --> 00:35:12,890
they're empty but there's okay the big

817
00:35:17,650 --> 00:35:15,619
casket you know well if we're if we're

818
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,660
gonna refer to the the great you know

819
00:35:22,810 --> 00:35:19,760
the possibility the Great Pyramid in the

820
00:35:24,460 --> 00:35:22,820
King's Chamber now there is no

821
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:24,470
indication that that is actually a

822
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:26,330
sarcophagi it looks like a circle guy

823
00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:30,050
but you know if it just because you know

824
00:35:32,770 --> 00:35:31,550
a fox kind of looks like a dog doesn't

825
00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:32,780
mean it's a dog doesn't mean it doesn't

826
00:35:36,220 --> 00:35:34,220
it's spot it's kind of come over and

827
00:35:37,630 --> 00:35:36,230
when I call it just because it walks

828
00:35:39,730 --> 00:35:37,640
like a duck and quacks like a duck

829
00:35:41,290 --> 00:35:39,740
doesn't mean it's a duck

830
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:41,300
okay well that there's no there's no lid

831
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,010
on it there's no inscriptions for it in

832
00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:45,920
it right now so yeah if if we're if

833
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,720
we're going with the idea that okay

834
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:49,040
if this is a sarcophagi and we found

835
00:35:55,180 --> 00:35:52,510
similar sarcophagi or you know similar

836
00:35:58,030 --> 00:35:55,190
things with lids you know that are made

837
00:35:59,890 --> 00:35:58,040
of Grannis that that have held bodies or

838
00:36:05,109 --> 00:35:59,900
if we've not found any bodies in the but

839
00:36:08,730 --> 00:36:05,119
we're assuming if we really what no get

840
00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:08,740
you you go over here Oh Coco Coco Coco

841
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:11,300
sorry she's that she's the mascot of the

842
00:36:15,790 --> 00:36:13,250
show if you watched a couple of episodes

843
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:15,800
you understand at this point she broke

844
00:36:19,780 --> 00:36:17,210
into the studio she knows how to open

845
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:19,790
the door i I've tried to keep her out

846
00:36:26,589 --> 00:36:24,560
she just doesn't go and but isn't no

847
00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:26,599
don't touch the camera no no don't touch

848
00:36:37,630 --> 00:36:32,420
the camera just isn't it this also the

849
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:37,640
same size as what has been written in

850
00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:41,820
the Bible as the Ark of the Covenant

851
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:43,950
ah the measurements exactly the same I

852
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:45,300
don't know what the measurements are

853
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:47,610
exactly the same but I know the

854
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,530
materials are not the same occasionally

855
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:54,720
do you mean oh I think I think what

856
00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:55,800
you're referring to I think there's a

857
00:36:59,540 --> 00:36:57,720
theory that it could fit inside of it

858
00:37:01,340 --> 00:36:59,550
yes um

859
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:01,350
yeah but a lot of things could fit

860
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:04,710
inside of it you know I can I mean I'm

861
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:05,970
gonna say anything could fit inside of

862
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:08,850
it have you ever been to the Great

863
00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:10,380
Pyramid I haven't been myself but I've

864
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:15,380
have I been living here but no I've not

865
00:37:19,460 --> 00:37:17,609
been in the Great Pyramid okay I've been

866
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,470
sounding agenda for one of my trips but

867
00:37:23,809 --> 00:37:21,119
well I I know some people if you want to

868
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:23,819
go something they did yeah they do they

869
00:37:27,799 --> 00:37:25,470
do who or who do the tourists yeah oh

870
00:37:30,799 --> 00:37:27,809
that's great oh no I'll get you in touch

871
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:30,809
with them okay this this is sudden make

872
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:31,980
friends here on the show okay the next

873
00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:33,240
thing I want to go I want at least again

874
00:37:36,140 --> 00:37:35,190
discuss because whenever you make one of

875
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:36,150
these statements are right under note

876
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:37,710
I'm like okay well I'm gonna bring up a

877
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:39,510
point and then I'm gonna get her in

878
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:41,369
there people probably shouting at the

879
00:37:50,029 --> 00:37:47,700
screen right now but I'm like hearing

880
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:50,039
your perspective on it so you said okay

881
00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:53,510
so the the one stable you'd made about

882
00:37:57,980 --> 00:37:56,579
the measurements being so perfect you

883
00:37:59,839 --> 00:37:57,990
know I know I know that's very similar

884
00:38:01,819 --> 00:37:59,849
to Graham Hancock statement where it's

885
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:01,829
he says that okay the the the pyramid is

886
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:04,530
aligned to true north and off by about a

887
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:08,339
tenth of a degree which is true and also

888
00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:10,710
that it has Phi and Pi encoded in it

889
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:13,470
which is also true now whether they knew

890
00:38:17,809 --> 00:38:15,569
they did it on purpose or if it was a

891
00:38:18,859 --> 00:38:17,819
mistake you have to understand you have

892
00:38:21,740 --> 00:38:18,869
to at least admit it's kind of

893
00:38:24,049 --> 00:38:21,750
interesting where the Great Pyramid

894
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,059
itself is I forget the exact

895
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:27,359
measurements like a it is pretty well a

896
00:38:34,819 --> 00:38:30,480
scale model or a scale squaring of the

897
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:34,829
circle of one half of the planet so I'm

898
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:38,609
I fed intent wants to to get me on this

899
00:38:41,269 --> 00:38:39,930
or if somebody can get Randall Carlson

900
00:38:42,589 --> 00:38:41,279
he'll know the exact number but I think

901
00:38:48,529 --> 00:38:42,599
it's like oh you know seventy two

902
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:48,539
thousand to one scale of the diameter by

903
00:38:51,260 --> 00:38:50,130
fired the diameter by PI and I'm

904
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:51,270
probably off on that myself

905
00:38:56,329 --> 00:38:54,720
but like that that kind of that kind of

906
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:56,339
mathematics is interesting to me not to

907
00:39:00,540 --> 00:38:58,650
say you know aha but to me that's

908
00:39:05,790 --> 00:39:00,550
interesting

909
00:39:08,670 --> 00:39:05,800
you can play with numbers a lot and make

910
00:39:10,770 --> 00:39:08,680
things look intentional that weren't

911
00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:10,780
necessarily intentional I'm not saying

912
00:39:15,150 --> 00:39:12,550
that Egyptians did not have pie maybe

913
00:39:18,090 --> 00:39:15,160
they did I don't know but what I'm

914
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:18,100
saying is a lot of the mathematical you

915
00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:20,290
know marvels of the great pyramid are

916
00:39:25,770 --> 00:39:23,950
kind of fudged you know what I'm saying

917
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:25,780
because if you even make just the

918
00:39:30,690 --> 00:39:28,150
smallest adjustments at the beginning of

919
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:30,700
your equation you can come out to very

920
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:32,890
different answers at the end and I think

921
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:35,110
a lot of people have played with the

922
00:39:39,630 --> 00:39:36,850
numbers a little bit to kind of make it

923
00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:39,640
seem like it was really special and I

924
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:42,700
think that um I'm no mathematician but I

925
00:39:45,390 --> 00:39:43,690
think if you did speak to a

926
00:39:47,130 --> 00:39:45,400
mathematician they might tell you like

927
00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:47,140
oh yeah well you could kind of make that

928
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:49,270
work if you wanted to you know okay well

929
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:51,850
at least I'll say this is that if we can

930
00:39:56,010 --> 00:39:54,250
actually get like you I'm gonna go to

931
00:39:58,350 --> 00:39:56,020
contact somebody like not right now I'm

932
00:39:59,609 --> 00:39:58,360
gonna contact somebody at some point

933
00:40:01,350 --> 00:39:59,619
because I'd like to be able to at least

934
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:01,360
get confirmation of this because I do

935
00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:02,530
have a few mathematician friends

936
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:04,600
thankfully and I'd like to get to the

937
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:05,650
bottom of this a completely unbiased

938
00:40:09,210 --> 00:40:07,090
there are pure math people they don't

939
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:09,220
care about the ancient history side one

940
00:40:12,270 --> 00:40:10,930
way or another and I want to actually

941
00:40:14,099 --> 00:40:12,280
get to the bottom of that and say okay

942
00:40:17,099 --> 00:40:14,109
is this a possibility or you know we're

943
00:40:18,990 --> 00:40:17,109
talking about absolutely precise

944
00:40:21,150 --> 00:40:19,000
measurements now cuz again they're

945
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:21,160
they're dealing with you know strings to

946
00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:23,920
to measure out things and qubits which

947
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:26,470
isn't even an exact you know an exact

948
00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:27,970
measurement that's and if you look at

949
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:29,230
the way the stones are put together on

950
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:30,670
the inside of the pyramid you know like

951
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:33,609
under the casing a lot of it's pretty

952
00:40:37,290 --> 00:40:34,930
shoddy oh yeah

953
00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:37,300
it's that I mean it's impressive still

954
00:40:40,410 --> 00:40:38,980
I'm not I'm not trying to play down the

955
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:40,420
impressiveness of the pyramids they're

956
00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:43,450
great but they're just not perfect you

957
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:44,830
know I'm saying everyone always talks

958
00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:47,170
about how perfect they are they're not

959
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:49,240
perfect there there are mistakes and you

960
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:52,090
know so the the concept of the potential

961
00:40:56,490 --> 00:40:54,310
for the pyramid being a power plant is

962
00:40:58,859 --> 00:40:56,500
way out for you that's not your yeah I

963
00:41:01,470 --> 00:40:58,869
did a recent video on actually my most

964
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:01,480
recent video is on that very topic um

965
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:05,950
yeah I cuz there was a video by universe

966
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,730
inside you 14 million views it had about

967
00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:11,680
the Great Pyramid being a power plant I

968
00:41:16,170 --> 00:41:14,380
just couldn't resist going after that

969
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:16,180
which is also funny that ticks me off

970
00:41:19,170 --> 00:41:17,290
from a different standpoint because

971
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:19,180
those people are actually my friends so

972
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,950
it's like you took his work and how much

973
00:41:23,849 --> 00:41:22,240
money did you make off of that video

974
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:23,859
with 14 million views and you didn't do

975
00:41:30,839 --> 00:41:25,089
[\h__\h] except for put the video together

976
00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:30,849
that makes me angry but but I mean that

977
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:32,950
I I agree but this is the thing there's

978
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:34,270
two reasons why I go after the big

979
00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:37,359
videos is well yes there is the you know

980
00:41:41,730 --> 00:41:39,430
you hope you get more views if you go

981
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:41,740
after a video with more views but but

982
00:41:46,349 --> 00:41:44,890
also because they're more the videos

983
00:41:48,030 --> 00:41:46,359
that are I feel are spreading

984
00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:48,040
misinformation that get the most views

985
00:41:51,150 --> 00:41:49,420
are the ones that need you want

986
00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:51,160
addressing you know if nobody's watching

987
00:41:56,099 --> 00:41:53,950
the video then there's no really reason

988
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:56,109
to go after it you know saying no I can

989
00:42:00,000 --> 00:41:57,520
I can understand that there was one

990
00:42:02,849 --> 00:42:00,010
video and this isn't for me debunking

991
00:42:06,510 --> 00:42:02,859
I'm not a deep bunker I'm just anti

992
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:06,520
[\h__\h] I if and I can smell it from my

993
00:42:12,089 --> 00:42:10,240
hey so I like to think because it's if

994
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:12,099
you know it I'd like to think that

995
00:42:14,099 --> 00:42:13,210
there's a certain amount of ethics you

996
00:42:16,049 --> 00:42:14,109
have to have when you're broadcasting

997
00:42:18,420 --> 00:42:16,059
you know as if it's just if you're just

998
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:18,430
a out selling snake oil then you know

999
00:42:22,829 --> 00:42:20,049
better than the the hucksters who were

1000
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,839
you know selling your petroleum or

1001
00:42:26,130 --> 00:42:24,400
mercury to people to say oh this is

1002
00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:26,140
gonna give you a long life and regrow

1003
00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:27,640
your hair and you know make make your

1004
00:42:30,270 --> 00:42:29,470
dick hard it's it's just it's not cool

1005
00:42:32,490 --> 00:42:30,280
and then all of a sudden the person

1006
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:32,500
winds up dead and that guy's left town

1007
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:35,650
with the money that it takes me off it

1008
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:38,170
makes me angry but you know you you look

1009
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:41,950
at like even UFO field it's rife with

1010
00:42:48,329 --> 00:42:45,210
that stuff like that that stuff is is

1011
00:42:50,910 --> 00:42:48,339
the Wild West when it comes to literally

1012
00:42:52,740 --> 00:42:50,920
the Western it comes to this type of

1013
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:52,750
work and the only video that I've ever

1014
00:42:57,720 --> 00:42:55,690
debunked I would say like pure ly

1015
00:42:59,010 --> 00:42:57,730
debunked would have been one video where

1016
00:43:02,430 --> 00:42:59,020
somebody tried to claim that they were

1017
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:02,440
you know UFOs that were flying over like

1018
00:43:06,329 --> 00:43:04,990
the basis basically had taken a video

1019
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:06,339
that was from the Jet Propulsion

1020
00:43:11,849 --> 00:43:08,770
Laboratory talking about the chanter

1021
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:11,859
satellites doing and it was like a

1022
00:43:17,789 --> 00:43:14,650
b-roll for news reports and they took it

1023
00:43:20,190 --> 00:43:17,799
filmed it with their camera as they

1024
00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:20,200
played the video on the screen at the

1025
00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:21,880
bottom of the screen it said video play

1026
00:43:27,310 --> 00:43:23,950
and he's like this is a live video no

1027
00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:27,320
you played a video in a video player

1028
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:29,300
took a video of it with your phone and

1029
00:43:33,730 --> 00:43:31,370
then said it was UFOs when I found the

1030
00:43:35,140 --> 00:43:33,740
original freaking film on the Jet

1031
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:35,150
Propulsion Laboratory it was picked up

1032
00:43:40,030 --> 00:43:38,810
by the Sun UK like a year after I

1033
00:43:43,090 --> 00:43:40,040
debunked it I'm just like sitting there

1034
00:43:45,010 --> 00:43:43,100
going like how them like what what is

1035
00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:45,020
with this like ARP are people that

1036
00:43:50,770 --> 00:43:49,670
stupid like oh my god like oh it a grove

1037
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:50,780
AIT's me so I can understand where

1038
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,810
you're coming from that 110 percent I I

1039
00:43:59,200 --> 00:43:55,280
just want to say this because a lot of

1040
00:44:02,140 --> 00:43:59,210
people accuse academics of keeping

1041
00:44:04,420 --> 00:44:02,150
information from the public right like

1042
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:04,430
we're deliberately and some kind of

1043
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:07,970
conspiracy to prevent true information

1044
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:10,610
from getting out you know but that's not

1045
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:13,730
how academic academia works at all like

1046
00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:16,130
you don't go to college in the day to

1047
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:18,920
say okay alright now this is what we're

1048
00:44:21,790 --> 00:44:20,450
supposed to tell everybody you know I

1049
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:21,800
mean it doesn't matter how it works

1050
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,770
in fact we're encouraged to come up with

1051
00:44:29,020 --> 00:44:27,200
new and original ideas like you have to

1052
00:44:30,850 --> 00:44:29,030
publish papers and they those papers

1053
00:44:32,860 --> 00:44:30,860
have to have new ideas nobody has

1054
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:32,870
thought of and then people have to like

1055
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,150
critique them and everyone's always

1056
00:44:40,270 --> 00:44:37,760
critiquing each other you know there's

1057
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:40,280
no there cannot be in the way too

1058
00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:43,490
structured any type of like some

1059
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:45,260
authority that's telling us that we have

1060
00:44:50,860 --> 00:44:48,350
to say this no we can say what whatever

1061
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:50,870
the heck we want you know I have no

1062
00:44:58,020 --> 00:44:54,560
obligations to anyone um so there isn't

1063
00:45:00,910 --> 00:44:58,030
a you know some kind of Big Brother

1064
00:45:03,610 --> 00:45:00,920
situation where academics are all in on

1065
00:45:05,650 --> 00:45:03,620
this and we're not getting like paid off

1066
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:05,660
I mean teachers do not make a lot of

1067
00:45:10,690 --> 00:45:08,090
money Graham Hancock makes more money

1068
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:10,700
than we do you know he makes big money

1069
00:45:16,750 --> 00:45:13,910
on his books uh what do we get we don't

1070
00:45:19,210 --> 00:45:16,760
get any rewards for what we do you know

1071
00:45:21,220 --> 00:45:19,220
so there's no incentive to pull the wool

1072
00:45:23,110 --> 00:45:21,230
over everyone's eyes well to a certain

1073
00:45:26,830 --> 00:45:23,120
extent I'd have to disagree with that

1074
00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:26,840
for certain academics whom have like you

1075
00:45:30,730 --> 00:45:28,940
know having ten years one thing you're

1076
00:45:32,590 --> 00:45:30,740
basically unless you're caught killing

1077
00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:32,600
somebody or you know sleeping with a

1078
00:45:38,590 --> 00:45:35,990
student it's very hard to get fired true

1079
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:38,600
so that the still don't get I mean III

1080
00:45:43,930 --> 00:45:40,970
one of my professors who I

1081
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:43,940
studied under he was like in his 70s and

1082
00:45:49,570 --> 00:45:46,130
he had been teaching you know Zola life

1083
00:45:53,710 --> 00:45:49,580
he made a little over a hundred K that's

1084
00:45:56,109 --> 00:45:53,720
pretty good but it isn't like wrench did

1085
00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:56,119
did he write the textbooks for his

1086
00:46:00,940 --> 00:45:57,470
course

1087
00:46:03,069 --> 00:46:00,950
uh he wrote a lot of books um like he

1088
00:46:06,670 --> 00:46:03,079
was one of the respected scholars of his

1089
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:06,680
field looked up to and and so forth and

1090
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,210
I knew a lot of those types of people

1091
00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:10,880
some some people wrote textbooks and so

1092
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:13,190
forth but they don't make a lot of money

1093
00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:15,050
on textbooks you know does the publisher

1094
00:46:20,020 --> 00:46:17,180
they make all the money they give them

1095
00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:20,030
the author like five to ten percent of

1096
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,460
the proceeds you know and so you know

1097
00:46:28,329 --> 00:46:26,480
teachers do not get rich

1098
00:46:30,430 --> 00:46:28,339
they just don't if you can sell a

1099
00:46:33,010 --> 00:46:30,440
popular book some of them try to do that

1100
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,020
like write a popular book but that's not

1101
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:35,359
a scholarly book um and they're

1102
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:37,609
encouraged to do the scholarly work but

1103
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:39,530
if they do a popular book maybe they can

1104
00:46:43,089 --> 00:46:41,089
make some money off of it I did have

1105
00:46:47,710 --> 00:46:43,099
another professor who who wrote a very

1106
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:47,720
popular book and it was a best-seller so

1107
00:46:55,450 --> 00:46:51,530
that can happen but it's it's not common

1108
00:46:58,210 --> 00:46:55,460
in academia it does happen though um but

1109
00:46:59,920 --> 00:46:58,220
most academics don't have that I mean

1110
00:47:02,380 --> 00:46:59,930
and for the conspiracy to work they all

1111
00:47:04,359 --> 00:47:02,390
have to be in on it even if one spilled

1112
00:47:06,819 --> 00:47:04,369
the beans right like what if I decided

1113
00:47:09,250 --> 00:47:06,829
hey every money I'm gonna let you know

1114
00:47:11,980 --> 00:47:09,260
you know like only one has to do that

1115
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:11,990
and it's out of the bag but no one has

1116
00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:14,480
done it because there is no conspiracy

1117
00:47:20,650 --> 00:47:17,900
no no I can keep every single person

1118
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:20,660
quiet it's impossible I know I can I can

1119
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,490
understand that like it's it seems a

1120
00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:24,800
little preposterous like you know even

1121
00:47:28,329 --> 00:47:26,270
for Freemasons it's like oh yeah we got

1122
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:28,339
all these secrets you google it you can

1123
00:47:35,470 --> 00:47:33,410
find everything the there out there it's

1124
00:47:36,730 --> 00:47:35,480
just a matter of okay well you know what

1125
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,740
what's what what you know what's the

1126
00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:38,720
major driving factor when it comes to a

1127
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:40,280
lot of like not necessary ideas being

1128
00:47:44,380 --> 00:47:41,089
suppressed

1129
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,390
I could see egos playing a big part if

1130
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:45,920
you want certain information to get out

1131
00:47:49,150 --> 00:47:47,510
there or not like again perfect example

1132
00:47:50,770 --> 00:47:49,160
being to the Stars Academy you got a lot

1133
00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:50,780
of big money and a lot of a lot of egos

1134
00:47:55,059 --> 00:47:53,030
a lot of media attention around the

1135
00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:55,069
subject matter which at least to me and

1136
00:47:58,559 --> 00:47:56,270
the least of my own researchers is a

1137
00:48:02,800 --> 00:47:58,569
hundred percent bunk or at least it's

1138
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,810
you know 99.5% bunk based on a bunch of

1139
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:03,680
videos that have been mischaracterized

1140
00:48:07,630 --> 00:48:05,930
and really really good savvy media

1141
00:48:10,089 --> 00:48:07,640
people who have planted some really good

1142
00:48:11,319 --> 00:48:10,099
stories you know they're they're gonna

1143
00:48:15,219 --> 00:48:11,329
fight tooth and nail to

1144
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:15,229
to keep their message in going in the

1145
00:48:18,249 --> 00:48:16,640
same direction that they wanted to which

1146
00:48:19,989 --> 00:48:18,259
is based on their narrative they're

1147
00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:19,999
gonna build their narrative up and if

1148
00:48:26,579 --> 00:48:21,380
you don't have able to play the media or

1149
00:48:28,899 --> 00:48:26,589
you know how to be able to it play on

1150
00:48:30,579 --> 00:48:28,909
gonna save people's perceptions of

1151
00:48:33,219 --> 00:48:30,589
things you know you can keep things

1152
00:48:37,630 --> 00:48:33,229
going and if to to a much larger extent

1153
00:48:39,099 --> 00:48:37,640
if you know the idea of and I use one of

1154
00:48:40,479 --> 00:48:39,109
Graham Hancock examples I'm gonna

1155
00:48:44,349 --> 00:48:40,489
butcher this so please do i do apologize

1156
00:48:47,259 --> 00:48:44,359
Graham I forget to forget his name but

1157
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:47,269
the the gentleman whom had came up with

1158
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:49,849
the theory of plate tectonics you know

1159
00:48:55,299 --> 00:48:53,630
he was absolutely slagged by his peers

1160
00:48:56,439 --> 00:48:55,309
and his idea was called stupid and

1161
00:48:58,779 --> 00:48:56,449
ludicrous and what have you and what's

1162
00:49:01,569 --> 00:48:58,789
the reality right now which is plate

1163
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:01,579
tectonics is really funny but eventually

1164
00:49:05,139 --> 00:49:03,649
yeah eventually the truth came out you

1165
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:05,149
know I mean they accepted it took a

1166
00:49:09,849 --> 00:49:07,849
little while oh I mean there's no doubt

1167
00:49:10,989 --> 00:49:09,859
that scholars lambaste each other if

1168
00:49:12,609 --> 00:49:10,999
they don't like a theory they'll come

1169
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:12,619
after you but you can always find

1170
00:49:19,289 --> 00:49:16,249
someone to publish and um and you know

1171
00:49:22,659 --> 00:49:19,299
eventually your everybody believed me

1172
00:49:24,789 --> 00:49:22,669
everybody publishes things that um maybe

1173
00:49:26,829 --> 00:49:24,799
they later regret or you know they

1174
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,839
change their mind about or they knew

1175
00:49:30,489 --> 00:49:28,880
they were wrong about how that happens

1176
00:49:33,399 --> 00:49:30,499
all the time in fact that culture is

1177
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:33,409
encouraged among academics academics are

1178
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:37,609
encouraged to change their views as more

1179
00:49:41,889 --> 00:49:40,249
evidence becomes available you know the

1180
00:49:45,099 --> 00:49:41,899
the ones that like stick to their guns

1181
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:45,109
no matter what other academics look down

1182
00:49:48,909 --> 00:49:46,249
on them they're like oh they're just

1183
00:49:50,589 --> 00:49:48,919
prideful they can't have been a mistake

1184
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,599
we're actually encouraged to admit

1185
00:49:55,299 --> 00:49:52,880
mistakes and change our views when

1186
00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:55,309
they're proven wrong and so forth and if

1187
00:49:59,499 --> 00:49:57,169
we don't that's that's a failing on our

1188
00:50:00,669 --> 00:49:59,509
part and you know that that's kind of I

1189
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:00,679
would say that that would be something

1190
00:50:07,089 --> 00:50:04,329
that is has been mischaracterized about

1191
00:50:08,769 --> 00:50:07,099
academia from certain people within you

1192
00:50:10,959 --> 00:50:08,779
know within the alternative history

1193
00:50:13,479 --> 00:50:10,969
field from certain people who may you

1194
00:50:17,379 --> 00:50:13,489
know may have a certain skin in the game

1195
00:50:19,449 --> 00:50:17,389
as it were and I know from even even for

1196
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:19,459
myself my views have changed from when I

1197
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:23,089
first started out in doing this you know

1198
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:25,010
back in 2006

1199
00:50:29,950 --> 00:50:28,370
2016 how's it been that long my god and

1200
00:50:32,140 --> 00:50:29,960
we're actually coming up on our earth on

1201
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:32,150
our fourth year I think although one

1202
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:33,650
year I almost basically took almost a

1203
00:50:42,310 --> 00:50:37,760
full year off almost that's about six

1204
00:50:43,930 --> 00:50:42,320
months so Lee you know the views have

1205
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:43,940
changed considerably and I've become a

1206
00:50:48,220 --> 00:50:45,410
lot more open-minded to the academic

1207
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:48,230
view I've also been able to you know

1208
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:50,330
I've seen the son of the business side

1209
00:50:53,530 --> 00:50:51,890
of things I know how that's running it's

1210
00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:53,540
it's not it's not a very nice game just

1211
00:50:56,980 --> 00:50:54,910
like you know when it comes to academia

1212
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:56,990
and when it comes to business like yeah

1213
00:51:00,190 --> 00:50:58,130
you know you everyone's fighting for

1214
00:51:02,110 --> 00:51:00,200
grant money everyone's fighting for a

1215
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:02,120
little bit of spotlight and you know if

1216
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:03,890
people are being looked down upon I know

1217
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:06,590
from other podcasters who deal with

1218
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:09,410
alternative history there or dealing

1219
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:10,910
with UFOs there are certain people in

1220
00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:12,110
the community who look at it and say

1221
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:13,310
like okay those people are talking about

1222
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:16,850
those Arcon you know you know reptilian

1223
00:51:19,450 --> 00:51:18,170
aliens again oh yeah well that's just

1224
00:51:21,490 --> 00:51:19,460
that's just absolutely ridiculous you

1225
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:21,500
know we looked at like the the sane of

1226
00:51:26,590 --> 00:51:23,090
us look down on those people because

1227
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:26,600
it's like you're fooling people to make

1228
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:28,010
money whereas from your side you're

1229
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:29,090
saying that it's it's about it's a

1230
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:30,290
matter of okay well you're too prideful

1231
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:31,450
to be able to admit that you're wrong

1232
00:51:36,460 --> 00:51:33,710
and that's kind of a human failing I

1233
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:36,470
would I would say another thing is I've

1234
00:51:41,530 --> 00:51:39,170
noticed your you seem to be another

1235
00:51:44,890 --> 00:51:41,540
example but I've recently made friends

1236
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:44,900
with the fellow who runs ancient

1237
00:51:51,460 --> 00:51:49,310
architects and I happened with him and I

1238
00:51:53,940 --> 00:51:51,470
happened with other people that people

1239
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:53,950
are really interested in the subject

1240
00:52:01,330 --> 00:51:57,170
will as they gain more information and

1241
00:52:03,490 --> 00:52:01,340
as they do more research come closer to

1242
00:52:05,950 --> 00:52:03,500
mainstream academic thinking rather than

1243
00:52:07,210 --> 00:52:05,960
further away from it I think that the

1244
00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:07,220
reason why people believe in a lot of

1245
00:52:11,740 --> 00:52:10,070
these alternative theories is not

1246
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:11,750
because they're dumb or they're you know

1247
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:13,610
they're insane or anything like that

1248
00:52:17,530 --> 00:52:15,290
it's just that they don't have all the

1249
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:17,540
information and as they get the

1250
00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:19,850
information I think any honest person

1251
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:22,940
would be led more towards the academic

1252
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:25,370
consensus because that's the real reason

1253
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:27,050
I think there's a difference of opinion

1254
00:52:32,050 --> 00:52:30,020
is because this one group of people just

1255
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:32,060
doesn't have all the information that

1256
00:52:35,050 --> 00:52:33,410
they need to be able to make a sound

1257
00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:35,060
judgment I would say I would have to

1258
00:52:39,050 --> 00:52:36,830
disagree with you on that point because

1259
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,060
at least in my experience

1260
00:52:44,060 --> 00:52:41,280
there are people whom you could you

1261
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:44,070
could show them that the sky is blue and

1262
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:45,960
they will tell you that it's green even

1263
00:52:50,210 --> 00:52:48,030
if you force force their head to look at

1264
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:50,220
the sky I've talked about honest people

1265
00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:52,650
but okay it's not even it there's a

1266
00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:55,260
certain amount of mentality about you

1267
00:52:58,340 --> 00:52:57,240
know wanting to know things and wanting

1268
00:52:59,930 --> 00:52:58,350
to think that you know more than the

1269
00:53:01,700 --> 00:52:59,940
other person or have some type of secret

1270
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:01,710
knowledge or insider knowledge that

1271
00:53:07,070 --> 00:53:03,330
isn't necessarily privy to other people

1272
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:07,080
and the funny part is is that it's like

1273
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:09,110
you know to the large majority of

1274
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:12,450
society they don't there's just a large

1275
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:13,800
majority of society don't don't give a

1276
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:15,450
[\h__\h] that the pyramids are ten thousand

1277
00:53:18,620 --> 00:53:17,010
years old of two thousand years old they

1278
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:18,630
care about what what's going on with the

1279
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:22,170
you know the the Jenners and and Kanye

1280
00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:24,330
and you know what's what's going on in

1281
00:53:29,060 --> 00:53:26,280
Hollywood or you know who's who is one

1282
00:53:30,350 --> 00:53:29,070
uh you know the latest season of

1283
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:30,360
Survivor and you know those are all

1284
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:32,010
valid things in terms of interest it's a

1285
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:34,050
matter of interest but it's like there

1286
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,290
there is this this large following or

1287
00:53:40,310 --> 00:53:38,880
this want to be able to belong and maybe

1288
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:40,320
it's it's a matter of not wanting to

1289
00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:42,810
belong or not not belonging to something

1290
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:44,460
and then feeling you you belong to a

1291
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:47,130
larger group and I I leave even from

1292
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:50,160
experience and you could see it in you

1293
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:52,740
know more fringe belief systems or

1294
00:53:59,060 --> 00:53:56,850
faiths or outright cults where the want

1295
00:54:01,880 --> 00:53:59,070
to belong to something tends to override

1296
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:01,890
somebody's reason and at that point you

1297
00:54:05,330 --> 00:54:03,690
you have more fanatical view about

1298
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:05,340
things and Andrey's at that point reason

1299
00:54:12,020 --> 00:54:08,220
doesn't matter and there's kind of an

1300
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:12,030
attractiveness to the idea like hey we

1301
00:54:16,070 --> 00:54:14,160
have a secret that no one else knows you

1302
00:54:18,590 --> 00:54:16,080
know and this being kept from you you

1303
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,600
know the government or whatever are you

1304
00:54:22,850 --> 00:54:20,640
know the establishment is not telling

1305
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:22,860
you this and we have the answers I can

1306
00:54:24,830 --> 00:54:23,970
understand how that would be attractive

1307
00:54:27,650 --> 00:54:24,840
to people

1308
00:54:29,090 --> 00:54:27,660
well you there's the the yeah it's the

1309
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:29,100
idea of the seat of the secret knowledge

1310
00:54:32,810 --> 00:54:31,170
is the same thing for for Freemasonry

1311
00:54:34,310 --> 00:54:32,820
when I first joined you know it was a

1312
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:34,320
matter of well I'm gonna learn about

1313
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:35,940
this at this Illuminati ship like I

1314
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:37,050
wanna learn how to move stuff with my

1315
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:38,670
mind and it's like no it's a bunch of

1316
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:39,870
old guys just sit around in a building

1317
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:42,630
go on yeah this is how you kind of lead

1318
00:54:46,460 --> 00:54:44,910
a better life and it's like wow this is

1319
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:46,470
nothing like they told me in the YouTube

1320
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:49,680
videos you know so you you have that

1321
00:55:01,559 --> 00:54:58,609
you know reality doesn't necessarily

1322
00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:01,569
coincide with someone's perceptions or

1323
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:04,180
one's expected perceptions and it's a

1324
00:55:07,229 --> 00:55:05,710
matter of whether somebody's willing to

1325
00:55:08,940 --> 00:55:07,239
open their mind and be able to accept

1326
00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:08,950
reality or the possibility that the

1327
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,900
reality is actual reality or whether

1328
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:12,880
cognitive dissonance kinks kicks in and

1329
00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:14,410
they're you know the mental gymnastics

1330
00:55:18,059 --> 00:55:16,180
will happen to try and make whatever

1331
00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:18,069
they think that their paradigm is fit

1332
00:55:22,589 --> 00:55:19,390
within that paradigm and to keep that

1333
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:22,599
paradigm yeah yeah I guess there's

1334
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:26,559
always gonna be stubborn people who just

1335
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,329
are gonna dig their heels in and not

1336
00:55:32,339 --> 00:55:30,400
change their minds I'm hoping though

1337
00:55:34,769 --> 00:55:32,349
with my videos that there will be people

1338
00:55:37,229 --> 00:55:34,779
who or it just may be unsure they're on

1339
00:55:38,099 --> 00:55:37,239
the fence you know and maybe I can help

1340
00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:38,109
them in some way

1341
00:55:41,579 --> 00:55:40,390
Oh at some point I'm gonna have to say

1342
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:41,589
so I'm gonna take a look a few of these

1343
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:43,599
and if I disagree with them you know I

1344
00:55:48,089 --> 00:55:45,670
may have to deeply yeah you don't worry

1345
00:55:52,289 --> 00:55:48,099
or do I'll do a debunk debunk oh yeah

1346
00:55:54,450 --> 00:55:52,299
yeah that'd be fun then you just like do

1347
00:55:56,249 --> 00:55:54,460
the debunk debunk debunk video and then

1348
00:56:00,329 --> 00:55:56,259
you know what we'll grow our followers

1349
00:56:02,670 --> 00:56:00,339
together keep the conversation going

1350
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:02,680
here we go hey know if you do feel like

1351
00:56:08,970 --> 00:56:07,089
I wrong about something or I I don't

1352
00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:08,980
have the facts right mislead somebody

1353
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:11,350
about something yeah

1354
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:13,240
publisher video about it I encourage

1355
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:15,040
that well this is the most important

1356
00:56:18,270 --> 00:56:16,690
thing about both this place is to at

1357
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:18,280
least gain other people's perspectives

1358
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:20,110
on stuff and you know there's been a lot

1359
00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:23,050
of like at this point I said like I'm

1360
00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:24,430
talking to a lot of people whom I may

1361
00:56:29,070 --> 00:56:26,080
agree with her may disagree with on a

1362
00:56:31,370 --> 00:56:29,080
lot of things and it's about trying able

1363
00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:31,380
to find good conversation oh yeah

1364
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:33,400
Bernie's and Chetty SIG's he's got his

1365
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,960
mojo back I'm like man it kind of have

1366
00:56:37,350 --> 00:56:35,680
really left

1367
00:56:41,460 --> 00:56:37,360
I just I'm near the bottom of an actual

1368
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:41,470
pint of beer here so yeah we're getting

1369
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:42,730
close to the right we're at the top of

1370
00:56:49,230 --> 00:56:44,050
the hour Thank You Bernie for getting me

1371
00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:49,240
on the show anytime you want to come

1372
00:56:52,290 --> 00:56:51,190
back on we'll talk about it because you

1373
00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:52,300
know it there either

1374
00:56:56,550 --> 00:56:55,120
the debate is necessary and I think that

1375
00:56:58,980 --> 00:56:56,560
there has been too long we have not had

1376
00:57:01,950 --> 00:56:58,990
friendly debate between academia and

1377
00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:01,960
more of the alternative sides of things

1378
00:57:07,170 --> 00:57:05,350
I think that the division between those

1379
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:07,180
perspectives is kind of hindering us

1380
00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:10,810
more to an extent of not and I think

1381
00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:12,670
it's kind of you know it's it's time for

1382
00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:14,740
for learned men to sit down and actually

1383
00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:17,230
talk with what other learning in in

1384
00:57:21,570 --> 00:57:19,150
right or pilot class or what have you

1385
00:57:24,210 --> 00:57:21,580
yeah thank you so much who are like oh

1386
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:24,220
I'm not gonna stoop to that level or

1387
00:57:28,550 --> 00:57:26,110
maybe if we ignore them they'll just go

1388
00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:28,560
away I don't think that way I think

1389
00:57:34,410 --> 00:57:31,750
gauging in conversation is a good idea

1390
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:34,420
well this is this is kind of a good

1391
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:35,890
point on this and I'll use this is kind

1392
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:38,740
of a parable I was a not really a big

1393
00:57:43,230 --> 00:57:40,570
proponent but I had bought into the

1394
00:57:45,930 --> 00:57:43,240
carbon is good you know global warming

1395
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:45,940
is a myth thing and then I had one of

1396
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:49,510
the world's top earth scientists on the

1397
00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:52,890
show for like a two-part 7 our massive

1398
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:55,240
episode of ok well you know like I

1399
00:57:59,550 --> 00:57:57,010
basically said like I want you to break

1400
00:58:01,980 --> 00:57:59,560
this [\h__\h] down for me step-by-step so

1401
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:01,990
that I learn and it came down to the

1402
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:04,510
point of holy crap maybe they actually

1403
00:58:07,530 --> 00:58:06,130
got something you know like maybe

1404
00:58:09,690 --> 00:58:07,540
there's something there is something to

1405
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:09,700
this whole you know climate change

1406
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:12,370
carbon cycle breaking down thing and we

1407
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:15,490
may all actually be screwed and I once

1408
00:58:19,050 --> 00:58:16,930
you understand the science you can

1409
00:58:20,610 --> 00:58:19,060
actually sit down and you can learn from

1410
00:58:23,370 --> 00:58:20,620
somebody who after knows knows what

1411
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:23,380
they're talking about and isn't

1412
00:58:26,730 --> 00:58:24,910
and people could say like oh well they

1413
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:26,740
just showed you the false data maybe

1414
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:28,930
it's a possibility and if the data was

1415
00:58:31,590 --> 00:58:30,250
wrong then I can also now that I have

1416
00:58:35,310 --> 00:58:31,600
the knowledge I can go out and and do

1417
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:35,320
the research myself with the skills and

1418
00:58:38,370 --> 00:58:36,910
knowledge I've learned to be able to

1419
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:38,380
verify and double-check the information

1420
00:58:42,690 --> 00:58:39,970
and that's that's something that we're

1421
00:58:44,430 --> 00:58:42,700
not doing as a society or as a research

1422
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:44,440
group we are not questioning the

1423
00:58:48,270 --> 00:58:45,730
information that's given to us like you

1424
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:48,280
said hey you know here's here's some

1425
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:49,810
information based on data it or not and

1426
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:51,730
I said okay well what about this what

1427
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:52,690
about this what about this what about

1428
00:58:54,540 --> 00:58:53,170
this

1429
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:54,550
so I double-checked your information

1430
00:58:57,420 --> 00:58:56,290
based on the information that I have to

1431
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:57,430
try and say okay maybe is there

1432
00:59:03,570 --> 00:59:00,160
something to that argument or not so the

1433
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:03,580
critical thinking is is is is paramount

1434
00:59:09,210 --> 00:59:04,930
I want to be able to thank you for your

1435
00:59:10,770 --> 00:59:09,220
time and for you know bringing that to

1436
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:10,780
the forefront so it's kind of where

1437
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:13,510
we're going I guess for the show well

1438
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:15,130
thanks for having me on Chris I really

1439
00:59:18,270 --> 00:59:16,480
appreciate it and it was a pleasure

1440
00:59:19,770 --> 00:59:18,280
talking with you it's pleasure as well

1441
00:59:22,050 --> 00:59:19,780
did you want to give the last word how

1442
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:22,060
could people get a hold you uh well if

1443
00:59:28,350 --> 00:59:24,250
you want to find me um I am on twitter

1444
00:59:31,410 --> 00:59:28,360
my handle is dr. David Mian oh I am also

1445
00:59:33,450 --> 00:59:31,420
on YouTube and that's where you can find

1446
00:59:35,310 --> 00:59:33,460
my videos it's called world of antiquity

1447
00:59:38,190 --> 00:59:35,320
so just search for world of antiquity

1448
00:59:39,690 --> 00:59:38,200
and if you can spell antiquity you'll be

1449
00:59:41,370 --> 00:59:39,700
able to find it or you can even just

1450
00:59:44,070 --> 00:59:41,380
search for my name and I'm sure my

1451
00:59:45,870 --> 00:59:44,080
videos will come up so those are

1452
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:45,880
probably two best places to find me and

1453
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:49,090
I'm fairly certain that if you cannot

1454
00:59:55,620 --> 00:59:50,170
spell antiquity you could probably

1455
00:59:57,060 --> 00:59:55,630
google it and excuse me I with for that

1456
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:57,070
cough I'm gonna see if the outro music

1457
00:59:59,400 --> 00:59:57,490
plays

1458
01:00:01,050 --> 00:59:59,410
you've watched the show a couple of

1459
01:00:03,540 --> 01:00:01,060
times so you know that it's always kind

1460
01:00:06,510 --> 01:00:03,550
of a crapshoot yes

1461
01:00:12,540 --> 01:00:06,520
let's see ladies and gentlemen no no

1462
01:00:16,450 --> 01:00:14,320
by the way ladies and gentlemen

1463
01:00:19,930 --> 01:00:16,460
Abe Van Dam actually has a couple of new

1464
01:00:22,540 --> 01:00:19,940
EPS out go google go check out his band

1465
01:00:24,580 --> 01:00:22,550
camp some other really good stuff he

1466
01:00:26,859 --> 01:00:24,590
does the outro for our music Abe thank

1467
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:26,869
you very much for providing that extra

1468
01:00:32,890 --> 01:00:31,040
you know kind of not really tribal so

1469
01:00:37,870 --> 01:00:32,900
that ancient history kind of techno I

1470
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,880
like it it's good alright my name is my

1471
01:00:41,859 --> 01:00:39,680
name is Krishna or Zuger and this has

1472
01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:41,869
been the denim for ladies and gentleman

1473
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:43,369
I'm going to tell you right now if

1474
01:00:47,490 --> 01:00:44,510
you're watching this show and I should

1475
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,500
have said this at the top of the program

1476
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:49,520
David Rohl is coming back on the show

1477
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:51,650
for another Sunday extravaganza we're

1478
01:01:00,400 --> 01:00:56,240
doing part two of our Grail mythos we're

1479
01:01:02,770 --> 01:01:00,410
doing the Spanish Meadows so you can

1480
01:01:05,530 --> 01:01:02,780
come check that out watch chicken on

1481
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:05,540
patreon and picture not comport size or

1482
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:07,250
dental or it's not the $5 or more

1483
01:01:11,650 --> 01:01:09,170
package if you want to be able to get

1484
01:01:12,609 --> 01:01:11,660
up-to-date on when new stuff comes out

1485
01:01:14,770 --> 01:01:12,619
and news and such

1486
01:01:18,580 --> 01:01:14,780
now that I'm not sick I can actually

1487
01:01:20,609 --> 01:01:18,590
update it and yeah that's that that'll

1488
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:20,619
be coming up soon so next week or so